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Manuel 8:40 Sat Feb 5
The Emirates FA Cup 5th round draw - Southampton away
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Sunday@11.40hrs.
I'm hoping the Kidderminster Harriers manager isn't told about this thread and pins it up in the dressing room for inspiration, but fuck it I'm going early..
So who do ya want? The lowest ranked side left at home, or is there another tie that you fancy?
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gph
7:38 Fri Feb 11
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"Without getting too geeky (hard to comprehend for most, I understand) - the chances of the first two balls being drawn out of the 3rd round hat being "Big 6 teams is about 0.75% - 9.4% for the first ball being a Big 6 team then 7.5% for the 2nd ball being a Big 6 team.
There's an awful lot of permutations in that 3rd round draw. 64 teams, which I thing the grown-ups define as "64 factorial", being 64*63*62*...all the way down to 3*2*1. See how far you get on your calculator with that. Get to 61 (4 steps, one more that Lynard Skynard demanded) and it's almost twice the number of people killed in the Holocaust."
That's right for the number of distinct draws, but wrong for the number of ties. Many of the draws in that 64! result in exactly the same ties.
If there were only four teams left, imaginatively called A, B, C and D (and in your Cup competition, the semi-finals were played on the grounds of the clubs odd in the order they come out of the hat) the draws
ABCD and CDAB would result in the same ties.
Because of this, there are only 12 = 4!/2! possible ties, not 24 = 4!.
Back to 64 clubs - there are 64! = 1.3 x 10^89 draws (orders in which the balls can be picked) but these can only result in 64!/32! different ties = 4.8 x 10^53 (counting, e.g., West Ham vs Southampton as different from Southampton vs West Ham).
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RM10
7:07 Fri Feb 11
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I’m guessing that’s the whole end with a segregation.
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rumford
6:58 Fri Feb 11
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They could give us more tickets if they wanted but most clubs choose not to,a bit like spurs did to us,when the ground was no where near full.I suppose a very large away contingent and a small home crowd can somewhat alter the atmosphere and maybe deminishig home advantage.
Having said that our lot would give up half the ground if it ment a sellout.
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RM10
6:17 Fri Feb 11
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£15 bargain
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Norflundon
5:59 Fri Feb 11
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Bit disappointed with the allocation tbh can’t imagine they’ll get a full house thought we’d get more.
More importantly I’m not sure I’ll get one now with my shitty PP
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Mike Oxsaw
3:22 Fri Feb 11
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*makes plans to visit everybody's house Father Christmas style on the evening of March 1st and draw a picture of a cat on everybody's red button.*
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bigst
2:52 Fri Feb 11
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Following the fifth round draw earlier this week , which saw the remaining 16 clubs split into eight ties, we can now reveal the full schedule and broadcast selections for UK viewers.
Tuesday 1 March 2022
Peterborough United v Manchester City (7.15pm) – Live on ITV
Crystal Palace v Stoke City (7.30pm) – Live on BBC Red Button
Middlesbrough v Tottenham Hotspur (7.55pm) – Live on BBC One
Wednesday 2 March 2022
Luton Town v Chelsea (7.15pm) – Live on BBC One
Southampton v West Ham United (7.30pm) BBC Red Button
Liverpool v Norwich City (8.15pm) – Live on ITV
Thursday 3 March 2022
Everton v Boreham Wood (8.15pm) – Live on ITV
Monday 7 March 2022
Nottingham Forest v Huddersfield Town (7.30pm) – Live on ITV4
* All times in GMT
The FA live broadcast fee for a main TV fixture is £125,000 per club while the broadcast fee for coverage on the BBC Red Button is £32,500 per club.
On top of that, winning clubs in the fifth round will receive £180,000 from the competition prize fund.
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bigst
1:26 Fri Feb 11
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Allocation
Southampton v West Ham United
Emirates FA Cup fifth round
St Mary's Stadium
Wednesday 2 March 2022, 7.30pm GMT
Allocation: 4,802
Ticket Prices
Adults £15, Over-65s £15, 16-25 £15, Under-16s £5, Under-11s £5
AccessibilityTicket Prices
Adults £15, Over-65s £15, 16-25 £15, Under-16s £5, Under-11s £5
For both Wheelchair Viewing Spaces and Accessible (AEA), tickets are charged at the relevant price band. Please call our Ticket Office Team on 0333 030 0174 or email accessibility@westhamunited.co.uk. Personal Assistants are issued free of charge.
Sales Dates
Bondholders 3pm, Friday 11 February
Season Ticket Holders with 40+ Points 9am, Monday 14 February
Season Ticket Holders with 39+ Points 11am, Monday 14 February
Season Ticket Holders with 38+ Points 1pm, Monday 14 February
Season Ticket Holders with 37+ Points 3pm, Monday 14 February
Season Ticket Holders with 36+ Points 5pm, Monday 14 February
Season Ticket Holders with 35+ Points 9am, Tuesday 15 February
Season Ticket Holders with 34+ Points 11am, Tuesday 15 February
Season Ticket Holders with 33+ Points 1pm, Tuesday 15 February
Season Ticket Holders with 32+ Points 3pm, Tuesday 15 February
Season Ticket Holders with 31+ Points 5pm, Tuesday 15 February
Season Ticket Holders with 30+ Points 9am, Wednesday 16 February
Season Ticket Holders with 29+ Points 11am, Wednesday 16 February
Season Ticket Holders with 28+ Points 1pm, Wednesday 16 February
Season Ticket Holders with 27+ Points 3pm, Wednesday 16 February
Season Ticket Holders with 26+ Points 5pm, Wednesday 16 February
Season Ticket Holders with 25+ Points 9am, Thursday 17 February
Season Ticket Holders with 24+ Points 11am, Thursday 17 February
Season Ticket Holders with 23+ Points 1pm, Thursday 17 February
Season Ticket Holders with 22+ Points 3pm, Thursday 17 February
Season Ticket Holders with 21+ Points 5pm, Thursday 17 February
Season Ticket Holders with 20+ Points 9am, Friday 18 February
Season Ticket Holders with 19+ Points 11am, Friday 18 February
Season Ticket Holders with 18+ Points 1pm, Friday 18 February
Season Ticket Holders with 17+ Points 3pm, Friday 18 February
Season Ticket Holders with 16+ Points 5pm, Friday 18 February
Season Ticket Holders with 15+ Points 9am, Monday 21 February
Season Ticket Holders with 14+ Points 11am, Monday 21 February
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Lato
11:40 Fri Feb 11
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RM10 11:29 Fri Feb 11
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Any ticket allocation info yet?
FA Cup away allocations are 15% so around 5,000
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Lily Hammer
11:40 Fri Feb 11
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Saints we’re good value for their win against us, and against tottenham. They’re playing really well at the moment. I’ll be delighted if we get past them, but that will not be easy.
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twoleftfeet
11:33 Fri Feb 11
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Red button = equivalent of being the last game on match of the day.
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RM10
11:29 Fri Feb 11
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Any ticket allocation info yet?
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Manuel
10:38 Fri Feb 11
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Thanks tea, a good insightful post on here for a change.
Strange Forest play on the Monday. Wonder when the draw for the QF will be? And no, I'm not starting the thread before the game :-)
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cup of tea
9:55 Fri Feb 11
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BBC Sport will show four FA Cup fifth-round ties live, including Chelsea's trip to Championship side Luton.
Middlesbrough v Tottenham Hotspur on Tuesday, 1 March (19:55 GMT) will be on BBC One and iPlayer.
Crystal Palace's game with Stoke City (19:30) that day will be on the Red Button and iPlayer.
Luton v Chelsea the next day (19:15) is on BBC One and iPlayer, and Southampton v West Ham (19:30) will be on the Red Button and iPlayer.
Chelsea beat Luton 3-1 in last season's fourth round with Frank Lampard sacked as manager the next day.
The other four games will be on ITV.
Each club with a live TV game receives £125,000, with the Red Button games earning clubs £32,500 each.
There will also be radio coverage of the fifth round on BBC Radio 5 Live.
Confirmed kick-off times for fifth round
Tuesday, 1 March
Peterborough United v Manchester City (19:15)
Crystal Palace v Stoke City (19:30)
Middlesbrough v Tottenham Hotspur (19:55)
Wednesday, 2 March
Luton Town v Chelsea (19:15)
Southampton v West Ham (19:30)
Liverpool v Norwich City (20:15)
Thursday, 3 March
Everton v Boreham Wood (20:15)
Monday, 7 March
Nottingham Forest v Huddersfield Town (19:30)
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daveyg
9:27 Mon Feb 7
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We usually do well at Southampton and being away should suit us better.
Not many games in February, March with Europe is harder.
Any game would be tricky.
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Mike Oxsaw
8:49 Mon Feb 7
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Without getting too geeky (hard to comprehend for most, I understand) - the chances of the first two balls being drawn out of the 3rd round hat being "Big 6 teams is about 0.75% - 9.4% for the first ball being a Big 6 team then 7.5% for the 2nd ball being a Big 6 team.
There's an awful lot of permutations in that 3rd round draw. 64 teams, which I thing the grown-ups define as "64 factorial", being 64*63*62*...all the way down to 3*2*1. See how far you get on your calculator with that. Get to 61 (4 steps, one more that Lynard Skynard demanded) and it's almost twice the number of people killed in the Holocaust.
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Nutsin
6:24 Mon Feb 7
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Southampton appears to be a winnable but tough tie, although after Kidderminster who knows any more.
Hopefully Dave and the team learned their lesson but I’m not so sure.
Glad we dodged all the bigger clubs, but can’t help but become curious how they constantly appear to get a home tie and avoid each other in the early rounds….
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Mike Oxsaw
6:21 Mon Feb 7
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What assumptions do you make when watching something "live" on TV?
Most studio broadcasts have in them a time delay of up to 5 seconds in order that they can edit out offensive/libellous shit (note that I said studio, not outside broadcasts). I think all "live", with audience, TV game shows are actually pre-recorded a day or two in advance.
You can be watching a stream thinking it's "live" and it's actually a minute or two behind "real time" but without a reference from elsewhere you will neither know or care.
And without that independent reference, you have absolutely no way of knowing something is truly live as broadcast unless you are actually there. If you DO have such a reference, please share it with us all to this can be put to bed once and for all.
That being said, why stop at a one minute delay, or a couple of minutes?
The question posed was as to HOW it could be done and I offered up a possibility, not, sadly for some, a cast iron proof of what was going on.
How likely that is what happens - or if rigging happens at all - is a separate question.
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Manuel
5:49 Mon Feb 7
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Alfs 3:04 Mon Feb 7
Exactly. I wonder what they would have said to Andrew Cole beforehand yesterday, and how much the back hander was :-)
Still, it's annoying that the bigger clubs do seem to get kind draws a lot.
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Manuel
4:54 Mon Feb 7
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I'm with 1Billy, I think away could suit us better, but this is the type of game we could lose 1-0.
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Alfs
3:04 Mon Feb 7
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The thing about these conspiracy theories about VAR and rigged draws is that it would take many people to be involved, though just one to whistle blow.
Which is why they're ill thought out bullshit.
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